Being in both far away from the rest of the yunity people, but together in one spot as two at the time, Tilmann and Janina Abels decided to hold a Wh-y-unity meeting in the form of alternating voice messages. This took approx. 75 minutes and is recorded here completely.
Meeting log
- 00:29, both
- random intro (in German)
- 01:34, Janina
- Try to pinpoint the main questions touched by asking wh-y-unity:
- Why are we participating in yunity?
- What are we hoping to achieve by being with yunity?
- What does yunity signify for us?
- What is the scope of the name 'yunity'?
- Selina's quote on radicality in #barcelona
- "I'd rather make the world a bit better but be successful, than try to change it completely and fail."
- 03:12, Tilmann
- Big discussion about words, words stay vague and unclear, let's talk about actions instead.
- "If you don't do the things you're talking about you can never be sure of what you actually mean."
- Different aspects of yunity: project, network, community. what are these to us? We don't mention them explicitly, that leads to loads of confusion.
- 04:04, Janina
- Definitions of words are hard, words are always ambiguous.
- Dougs efforts of defining terms a year ago
- What is yunity about? Only sharing? But then all the time?
- Joachim's comic
- The proposed syscon on acquiring resources holds many difficulties:
- Who is part of yunity? For whom would such a decision be binding? How to enforce it?
- "In my perception of yunity there's no way to go through with something like this, because there shouldn't be an authority defining who/what is yunity"
- Chandi's statement comparing yunity to transition town in #barcelona.
- "Don't we wanna be a movement and connect to looots and lots of people? [...] The more people you have in your movement, the more likely it is that somebody does something you don't agree with."
- 05:29, Tilmann
- Different concepts of yunity
- yunity can do things. we know that people do things, but other people perceive actions as actions by yunity.
- What is a yunity action? What is an individual action? Should we even distinguish like this?
- "I think people can never fully exist inside yunity, if they will always be able to still do non-yunity actions."
- Then yunity wouldn't be a group of people (project/network/community) but an abstract level of behavior.
- "We can define yunity as a state, as something we can reach."
- The vision is a state, the mission the way to reach the state.
- "I would consider myself part of yunity but I can't even cite the vision and mission. And I guess there are others like me."
- "Should we swear an oath to our V&M so that we always remember it and always act accordingly?
" - Or should we come up with (a) new V&M(s) to better reflect what people are actually working on in a more concrete way?
- 02:46, Janina
- Vagueness of V&M is not a bad thing as it allows for multiple interpretations.
- The greatest things about yunity are its openness, acceptance and trust.
- Trust should also imply a trust that people are good, even if they're not 100% in line with V&M or each other.
- "It would be a shame to lose so many people who already are part of yunity or would like to be, just because they use money once in a while."
